Comments on M. E. P. Seligman's article (see record 1997-04811-001) and comment (see record 1997-04812-001) concerning the Consumer Reports study of psychotherapy. It is argued that the new information from the comment only confirms previously cited flaws. It is believed that while seeking evidence about the effectiveness of psychotherapy, M. E. P. Seligman simultaneously assumed its effectiveness. Methodological flaws of the kind that invalidated the Consumer Reports reanalysis can be corrected in subsequent studies. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2010 APA, all rights reserved)